Meeting Minutes
– TWG Meeting April 24, 2003
In Attendance –
Linda Davis, IDWR
Sandra Thiel, IDWR
Genna Ashley-Poulson, IDWR
Ervin Cowley, BLM
Betsy Rieffenberger, Salmon-Challis NF
T.J. Clifford, Boise NF
Valdon Hancock, Sawtooth NF
Via
Phone Conference –
Leigh Bailey, Payette National Forest
The meeting
began at approximately 10:00 a.m., MST
NEWS
TO REPORT
There
was no news reported at the beginning of this meeting.
See “Miscellaneous Discussion” items below.
Huc 17050103 – Middle Snake Succor:
Erv Cowley reviewed this huc with the group.
The hydro crossing at Big Foot Bar and Lower Rabbit Creek 6th’s
needs to be re-checked. Squaw Creek
will be renamed sometime in the future according to the USGS schedule.
Reynolds Creek Headwaters (6th) will become Upper Reynolds
Creek Headwaters. Cottontail Island
6th will become Snake River-Cottonwood Creek 6th.
There are two Snake River-Clarks Island 6th’s – one will
be renamed. The ridgeline will be
reviewed for Succor Creek-Camp Kettle Creek 6th’s.
This huc will be reviewed again in the near future.
Huc 17050108 – Jordan: Erv
Cowley reviewed this huc with the group. Irv will check and see if the area above the Triangle 5th
field can be incorporated with the Meadow Creek 6th.
Josephine 6th field should also be included in this group.
The Soda and Cow Creek 6th fields will be combined into one 5th
field, to be included with the Oregon side.
This huc will be reviewed again in the near future.
Huc 17050123 - North Fork Payette River:
Leigh Bailey and T.J. Clifford reviewed this huc with the group (Leigh
was via phone conference and NetMeeting). In
reviewing the 5th fields, Erv Cowley mentioned that technically a
rule was broken in naming the Upper North Fork Payette River and Lower North
Fork River 5th fields, and that might need to be changed.
The break between the Upper and Lower Big Creek confluence needs to be
checked. There was some discussion
regarding who else might be interested in the final delineations of this huc.
Boise Cascade helped delineate in the beginning and there is a lot of
private land ownership within this huc, so a special notice will go out to Boise
Cascade Corporation requesting input before this huc will be draft approved.
The Water Quality Advisory Board (DEQ?) will be meeting also and we may
want to send preliminary linework to them also.
This huc will be reviewed again in the near future.
Huc 17040218 - Big Lost: Betsy
Rieffenberger reviewed this huc with the group.
The Big Lost 5th field huc is too large and will be broken up.
Hucs 170402180401-03 will split from this 5th and become a
separate 5th field. A
justification will be written for the Navarre Creek 6th for 9,960
acres. The Big Lost River-Ramshorn Creek 6th field huc
was too large and a split was digitized around the Elbow, Jepson and Clark
Canyon Creeks. Genna Ashley will
send this shapefile to Betsy Rieffenberger so she can incorporate it into her
coverage. A new line was digitized
splitting the Middle Antelope Creek 6th field huc, and Genna Ashley
will send this linework to Betsy for incorporation. Three justifications will be written for the following 6th
field hucs: Combe Canyon at 43,000
acres, the Big Lost River-Rocky at 83,000 acres and the Big Lost River-Box
Canyon at 48,900 acres. The
southern 5th field huc 1704021808 (Big Lost River Sinks) will not
have any 6th field delineations and will be coded as 170402180800 at
the 6th field level. This
huc will be reviewed again in the near future.
Huc 17060205 - Upper Middle Fork Salmon:
Betsy Rieffenberger and T.J. Clifford reviewed this huc with the group.
Some of the names may change for this huc. The 4th field
boundary line will be fixed within the Cape Horn Creek 6th field huc,
i.e., brought closer to the county line. The
6th field line for Marsh Creek where it crosses Asher Creek will be
fixed. The 6th field
line will be brought to the confluence between the Bear Valley Wyoming and Bear
Valley Fir hucs. The Upper Middle
Fork Snake River-Fall Creek and Upper Middle Fork Snake River-Boundary Creek 6th’s
will be brought to the confluence. The Marble Creek 6th field huc
will be renamed to Middle Marble Creek, to make an Upper, Middle and Lower
Marble Creek.
Huc 17060206 Lower Middle Fork Salmon River:
Betsy Rieffenberger, Leigh Bailey and T.J. Clifford reviewed this huc
with the group. The small changes
that were previously identified were reviewed and checked.
It was noted that a change had already been made to drop the 6th
field line between Big Creek-Coxey Creek and Big Creek-Canyon Creek.
The combined 6th field huc name will stay Big Creek-Coxey
Creek. Betsy will send her changes
to Leigh and Leigh will combine her most-recent edits and send the coverage to
Genna Ashley for incorporation. This
huc will be draft-approved when the final edits are received.
Huc 17050111 - North and Middle Forks Boise River:
T.J. Clifford and Valdon Hancock reviewed this huc with the group.
The only changes to this huc were name changes.
The file that was sent to Genna Ashley did not have the names attached to
the numbers, so this file will be resent in the near future.
T.J. decided not to cross the Kirby Dam at the 6th field level
and left this huc as is. After a
new shapefile or coverage is sent to Genna Ashley this huc will be
draft-approved.
Huc 17050120 - South Fork Payette River:
T.J. Clifford reviewed this huc with the group.
The changes identified from the previous review were gone over.
The reservoir crossing looks good – Wilson Creek at the dam.
After a new shapefile or coverage is sent to Genna Ashley this huc will
be draft-approved.
Huc 17050113 - South Fork Boise River:
T.J. Clifford and Valdon Hancock reviewed this huc with the group.
The changes identified from the previous review were gone over. After a new shapefile or coverage is sent to Genna Ashley
this huc will be draft-approved.
Huc 17050102 – Bruneau: Erv
Cowley reviewed this huc with the group. The initial delineations look good, a few changes need to be
made to numbering. Names are
difficult to find in this hydrologic unit, some non-hydrographic names had to be
used. Erv will bring this huc to a
future meeting.
Betsy Rieffenberger will mail a final copy of the Upper
Salmon River (17060201) huc to Genna Ashley for incorporation.
This concept lines for this huc have previously been draft-approved.
There
was a lengthy discussion regarding the 4th field northern boundary line of the
Goose Creek huc; there were two issues. First, the northern boundary currently
stops near a canal rather than going to the mouth of Goose Creek on the Snake
River; it was agreed that the actual boundary line should go all the way to the
Snake River, per the protocol. Second,
the northwestern part of the Goose Creek huc includes upper Big Cottonwood Creek
(per GNIS, the USGS geographic names system), but with the lower Big Cottonwood
Creek in 17040212; the entire stream should be in 17040212.
Since correcting both of these would be a 4th field change in an area of
irrigated agriculture, USGS, NRCS and DEQ should provide input on these line
changes. Valdon Hancock and Erv Cowley will put together [a sketch showing
supporting] evidence for the boundary change for the watershed technical working
group review. The TWG will then
review this information for a decision.
Betsy Rieffenberger would like to be on the June 5th
meeting schedule for the Big Lost and Upper Middle Fork final reviews.
Erv Cowley would like to be on the June 5th meeting
schedule for the Bruneau, Snake River-Succor, and Jordan hucs.
ACTION
ITEMS:
Notification and preliminary linework will be sent to Boise Cascade
and possibly the Water Quality Advisory Board at DEQ for the North Fork Payette
River (17050123) requesting input on line delineations before this huc will be
considered draft-approved.
Betsy Rieffenberger will write various justifications for the Big
Lost huc.
Genna Ashley will send Betsy Rieffenberger the shapefiles that were
digitized during the TWG meeting so she can incorporate the changes into her
coverage.
Betsy Rieffenberger will send her changes on the Lower Middle Fork
Salmon River huc to Leigh Bailey, Leigh Bailey will add her changes and send the
new, combined coverage to Genna Ashley for incorporation into the draft master
watershed coverage.
T.J. Clifford will send Genna Ashley the attribute names to be
included with the North and Middle Forks Boise River, South Fork Payette River,
and South Fork Boise River hucs. As
soon as these attributes are received, these hucs will be considered
draft-approved.
Betsy Rieffenberger will mail a final copy of the Upper Salmon
River huc to Genna Ashley for incorporation.
This concept lines for this huc have previously been draft-approved.
Valdon Hancock and Erv Cowley will put together a sketch showing
supporting evidence of the boundary change for the watershed technical working
group review.
Genna Ashley will send
Erv Cowley the GNIS (geographic names) coverage for help in providing
hydrographic names in some of those southern hucs were names are few and far
between.
NEXT
SCHEDULED TWG MEETING (S):
May
2nd at 10:00 a.m. MST USGS Office, Boise, ID –
Interim Review of the Bear hucs, 16010201 and 16010202.
17040211
Goose Creek
first review – Valdon Hancock
17040218 Big Lost final review – Betsy Rieffenberger
17060205 Upper Middle Fork Salmon final review – Betsy
Rieffenberger, T.J. Clifford
17050103 Middle Snake-Succor continuing review – Erv Cowley
17050108 Jordan – continuing review – Erv Cowley
17050102 Bruneau – continuing review – Erv Cowley
***Subject to change
before meeting
The
meeting concluded at approximately 5:00 p.m., MST.