Meeting Minutes
TWG Meeting November 10, 2003
In Attendance
Linda
Davis, IDWR
Sandra Thiel, IDWR
Genna Ashley, IDWR
Leigh Bailey, Payette
National Forest
Ervin Cowley, BLM
Al Rea, USGS
Roger Hirschman, NRCS
Via
Phone Conference
Karen Hanson, Watershed Regional Coordinator, USGS Utah
(morning)
Kenny Legleiter, Watershed National Coordinator, NRCS Texas (morning)
Valdon Hancock, Sawtooth National Forest (afternoon)
SPECIAL
PHONE CONFERENCE
Karen Hanson and Kenny Legleiter joined the TWG Meeting to
discuss numbering and naming criteria with the TWG.
It was determined that there were significant interpretation differences
in the standards and Idaho numbering may be different from surrounding states.
The standard protocol expected from the National level is to begin at the
uppermost tributary and begin as 01, then proceed downstream, and each number
should flow into a larger number, with the highest number always being the
exiting 5th field boundary (pour point).
Not all states, including Idaho, had interpreted these instructions from
the standards when this effort was initiated several years ago.
Since there has been significant work already completed in Idaho with
information tied to other data in the state and no official funding, Idaho will
not be changing all numbers to match the national criteria. Idaho will match numbers with neighboring states across state
boundary lines for consistency purposes. The
Idaho TWG will revisit the numbering and naming issue again during the December
10th TWG meeting to decide how much numbering and naming changing
should be done. Genna Ashley will
post the current Idaho watershed draft coverage on the state ftp site so Kenny
Legleiter can download it and check for discrepancies.
It was asked if there would be any money available at the Federal level to complete naming and numbering for the states. Karen Hanson said that some states have been able to access a small amount ($5,000 - $10,000) of 319 money from the Clean Water Act. After some discussion, it was determined that in Idaho it could be very difficult to obtain money from this source.
NEWS
TO REPORT
Sandra
Thiel reported that she had a conversation with Tracy Fuller (USGS), and there
should be funding available to complete NHD in Idaho. Pending a Presidential signature to release the funds, the
money should be available sometime soon.
Valdon stated that the linework previously done by
Bonnie Ross was more 24k compliant than the current linework.
Erv Cowley stated that this new linework was derived from an automated
process and the lines would need to be smoothed and then checked to complete the
process. Since some of these lines
have previously been digitized, Erv Cowley will get the linework from either
Valdon Hancock or Genna Ashley and use these lines to avoid having to smooth and
check lines that had already been done.
There will be a 6th field name change for
Amber Gulch 170402190106 to West Fork of the North Fork Big Wood River.
There will be a 6th field name change for
Murdock Creek-Big Wood 170402190107 to Murdock Creek-North Fork Big Wood River.
Timber Creek may possibly be included with Greenhorn
Creek 6th field within the Deer Creek-Big Wood River 5th
field huc. Valdon and Erv will
check on this and decide.
The Quigley Creek 6th field huc needs to
be checked at the pour point to the Big Wood River. If the pour-point needs to be adjusted and this huc becomes
sub-sized, it could be either grouped in with the Indian Creek-Big Wood 6th
in the Deer Creek-Big Wood River 5th field, or with the
Slaughterhouse 6th in the Magic Reservoir 5th.
Erv Cowley and Valdon Hancock will work on this and decide the best
approach.
The Magic Reservoir 5th field will be
renamed to Rock Creek-Big Creek because Magic Reservoir isnt the dominant
feature in that huc.
Erv Cowley will check the Black Butte Hills 6th
field huc. This is mostly lava flow
but there has been pour point delineation and this will be checked.
Erv Cowley will also check the Gwinn Cave 6th
field huc pour point.
Erv Cowley stated that there are numerous problems
that need to be fixed in the Thorn Creek 5th field huc and he will
work on those.
The Tuttle-Big Wood River 6th will be
renamed to Malad River.
There is a 4th field boundary line
difference in this huc. It is the
addition of the Fuller-Big Wood River 6th field huc that has been
added. This was identified during
the delineation process done by Karen Hanson and it does follow the high point
on the ridge.
Erv
Cowley will work on these changes and bring this huc back for a continuing
review.
Salmon
Falls 17040213 - Valdon Hancock from the Sawtooth
National Forest joined via phone conference call, in cooperation with Erv
Cowley, BLM to review this huc. The
following changes were identified:
The Hopper Gulch 6th field huc will be lumped together with
the Shoshone Creek 6th field huc.
The Bottom Creek 6th field huc
and West Basin Draw 6th field huc will be combined into one 6th
field huc and renamed Hot Creek.
There is a 6th field numbering
change in the Dry Creek 5th field.
Lower Dry Creek 6th will be 05 and War Eagle Draw 6th
will be 06.
There is a 6th field numbering
change in the Salmon Falls Reservoir 5th field.
Cottonwood Creek will be 02 and Salmon Falls Creek-Salmon Falls Reservoir
will be 01.
There is a 4th field boundary
change next to the Salmon Falls Reservoir 5th field.
There is a no-name stream coming into Salmon Falls Creek
The 6th field hucs within the
Cedar Creek 5th need to be renumbered; 01 will become 02, 02 will be
03, 03 will be 04, 04 will be 05. 06
and 07 will stay the same.
Erv Cowley will work on these corrections and then send
them to Nevada for comment. After
the comments have been received from Nevada, this huc will be put on the agenda
for a continuing review.
Erv Cowley would like to be on the December agenda for the Bruneau,
Jordan, and Middle Snake-Succor hucs.
Because of limited scheduling options for the IDWR conference room,
Al Rea will check into hosting the next TWG meeting at the new USGS office in
Boise. Al will check their
conference room availability and let Genna Ashley know if this is confirmed.
ACTION
ITEMS:
Genna Ashley will get a copy of the draft watershed coverage on the
IDWR ftp site for Kenny Legleiter.
Erv Cowley and Valdon Hancock will continue to work on the Salmon
Falls and Big Wood hucs and bring them back for a continuing review.
The naming/numbering issue for Idaho will be discussed at the next
TWG meeting in December.
Al Rea will check into conference room availability at the USGS
office for the next TWG meeting.
NEXT
SCHEDULED TWG MEETING (S):
Tentatively
scheduled for Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 10:00 a.m. in the USGS conference
Room, 230 Collins Road, Boise, ID.
***Subject
to change before meeting***